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Post by **Cal_Gary** » Tue Dec 01, 2009 12:49 pm

[quote]P.S. I also tried removing an old NDT tire from a good rim-kicked my butt, is not yet removed, and ate a saws-all (the 2nd one devoured by my M). Remember, you get what you paid for, and I got two cheapee units which have both died....

That is from my "paint applied" post from last week. Anyway, since the saws-all died, I took a big chisel and hammer and continued working on the bead, trying to separate it so the tire would peel back off the rim. That didn't work-some of the cord is just hanging on for life, but I have devised a solution that I will implement this evening.

I have access to the inner tire since I sliced it open, down to the bead area. I will snake a chain down inside, around the rim, and bring the end back out. Next, I will anchor one end to my M37 and use the lead end on my S-10 to apply enough pressure to separate the last part of both sides of the bead which will then free the tire from the rim. I will also attach a loose chain to the rim and around the anchor chain so the rim doesn't take off rolling when the tire separates. I'll let you know how this works. I don't want to drive 40 miles and spend $50 for a tire shop to remove it since it is this close to being removed.
More to follow,
Gary

anthony manzella · Post by **anthony manzella** » Tue Dec 01, 2009 1:10 pm

Try Some Warm water with dish soap or car wash soap let sit an walk around on the tire wall or try your S10 trick be very careful tho !

refit1701 · Post by **refit1701** » Tue Dec 01, 2009 1:57 pm

Did you try a penetrant chemical?

Josh · Post by **Josh** » Tue Dec 01, 2009 7:24 pm

do you have the split ring off?

if so, use a cut off wheel in a grinder to carefully cut the bead.

Lifer · Post by **Lifer** » Tue Dec 01, 2009 8:14 pm

Why do I get the feeling that, after all that work and frustration, you're gonna end up wishing you had taken it to the tire shop in the first place?

Captnsim · Post by **Captnsim** » Tue Dec 01, 2009 8:17 pm

Having the right tools is the only way to do these with any "ease".
Below is a link to a assortment of bars just for doing tire work.
A hooked bead breaker bar like #4, 5, and 6 are great for starting a stubborn bead. A lock ring bar #8 and a tire spoon (not shown) are also nice to have. Oh don't forget a big hammer!

http://was.co.za/products.php?prod_id=57&expandable=7

HingsingM37 · Post by **HingsingM37** » Wed Dec 02, 2009 2:41 am

Gary,
I used the sawsall on all 5 of my tires. They were rock hard and I did it all with one blade. It sounds as if you are cutting vertically down the tires instead of around the rim?
Are you cutting all the way around the circumfrence of the rim on each side? I drilled a hole in the sidewall to start the blade. Thats how I did it on each side then pulled the tire carcass off. This left about 2" of bead intact on each side. I then sliced down the ring slot. I used the die grinder to cut the steel cord and the remains of the outboard bead peeled off. The inboard side I soaked with penetrant and broke them loose with a hammer and prybar. They slid right off. Here is a pic of my tire debris that may help give you an idea of what I did:
http://www.g741.org/photogallery/main.p ... temId=4927
Hope this helps

m-37Bruce · Post by **m-37Bruce** » Wed Dec 02, 2009 10:08 am

I guess flower pots are out of the question?

Post by **Cal_Gary** » Wed Dec 02, 2009 2:18 pm

Sorry I didn't weigh in this morning guys-no worries, I am safe but no success either. I learned that the sidewall on these is so thin that the chain just carved through it instead of opening it up like a domestic tire would have. Those 8 plies, and steel reinforced beads were just too tough to separate, even with all the saws-all and chiseling so I will cough up the cash and make the drive to have it properly done. Lesson learned (even for us old dogs!)

Oh, my S-10 actually pulled my M37 18 inches SIDEWAYS when I was doing my first-gear pull-amazing!
Gary

Post by **T. Highway** » Thu Dec 03, 2009 5:58 am

Gary, I soaked the beads of tires for one week with ZEP 45 and was able to break the bead loose with an ADD (may not be the correct spelling) very easlily. I had picked up 5 combat rims with 20+ year old snow tires on them and dreaded the task of tire removal.

It ended up not being that bad, about 2 hours for all 5 tires.

Lifer · Post by **Lifer** » Thu Dec 03, 2009 2:54 pm

T. Highway wrote:...was able to break the bead loose with an ADD (may not be the correct spelling)...

That would be an ADZE. It is properly used as a woodworking tool. It was not designed for use with tires, as it's been around for way longer than tires (Noah used one when building the ark, I believe). However, "whatever works!"

Post by **Cal_Gary** » Fri Dec 04, 2009 8:20 pm

Just got back from the tire job a couple of hours ago-you should have seen the three wise men airing it up, ring up, with the three of them looking down upon it as it lay on the ground. I was waiting for the circular guillotine to let go!

Gary

Post by **T. Highway** » Mon Dec 07, 2009 5:41 am

Lifer wrote:
T. Highway wrote:...was able to break the bead loose with an ADD (may not be the correct spelling)...
That would be an ADZE. It is properly used as a woodworking tool. It was not designed for use with tires, as it's been around for way longer than tires (Noah used one when building the ark, I believe). However, "whatever works!"

Thanks Lifer, I knew it was used for wood working but man did it work good for bead breaking.

Cal_Gary, I hope you stood far enough back while witnessing that "Three Ring Circus"

Post by **Cal_Gary** » Mon Dec 07, 2009 6:40 am

You bet! One of them even yelled "BOOM" while airing it up-crazy!

Carter · Post by **Carter** » Mon Dec 07, 2009 7:13 am

Crazy is the right word for that, I know a man (Paul Hahn) who inflated a newly mounted 2 1/2 ton one that exploded, the lock ring hit him in the head and injured him so badly that he was never able to work again.

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