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DIESEL CONVERSION??

Posted: Fri Mar 26, 2010 3:33 am
by 8543bob
I PUT THIS IN GENERAL, BUT WILL PROBABLY MOVE IT TO TECH DOWN THE ROAD. I BOUGHT A 6 CYLINDER DIESEL OFF GSA LAST WEEK. IT ONLY HAD A PIC OF IT AND DESCRIBED IT AS A DIESEL ENGINE; THAT WAS IT. I CONTACTED THE CUSTODIAN AND GOT BASIC MEASURMENTS. LOOKS LIKE IT WILL FIT IN MY M. I DROVE DOWN TO COLUMBIA, SC WEDNESDAY AND PICKED IT UP. ITS BRAND NEW, STILL IN THE PLYWOOD SHIPPING CRATE ITS COMPLETE, FROM WATER PUMP TO STARTER TO LIFT AND HIGH PRESSURE PUMP. DONT KNOW MUCH MORE ABOUT IT TILL I UN-WRAP IT. I HAVE HAD MY M FOR ABOUT A YEAR, IT RUNS AND LOOKS GOOD, BUT I LIKE DIESELS, AND AS FAR AS I'M CONCERNED THESE M'S CRY TO BE DIESEL POWERED; SHOULD HAVE BEEN FORM THE START. I GOT IN LATE LAST NIGHT AND NOW ITS RAINNING. SO I WILL PROBABLY UN-WRAP IT AND SIDE TRACK IT TILL THE FALL, TOMORROW. THIS IS GETTING TO BE MY BUSY CHARTER FISHING BUSINESS TIME SO IF I DECIDE TO DO THE SWAP IT WILL BE A FALL PROJECT. IN THE MEAN TIME I GOT THE GAS POWERED M UP AND TUNED, OIL CHANGED AND READY TO GO. WAITING FOR SOME HIGHER TEMPS SO I CAN TAKE THE TOP OFF AND RUN WITH MY NEW TONNEAU IN PLACE. IT WAS 77 DEG IN COLUMBIA ON WEDNESDAY, NICE!! THATS MY STORY FOR TODAY

Posted: Fri Mar 26, 2010 9:39 am
by Master Yota
Good score - what kind of diesel is it?

Most of the 6cyl diesels I've seen will be a challenge to put under the hood due to the length of the engine, but anything is possible! Do you know what type of transmission you'll use?

Good luck with the swap - and remember to take lots of pictures!

Posted: Fri Mar 26, 2010 10:25 am
by Josh
Bob, fill us in on make and model and we can help you out. If it is a cummins, or international, it will be a very tight fit that will require relocation of many things. If it is a toyota or mitsubishi 6 cylinder, it should fit relatively easily, but will feel underpowered.

Let's hope it has a turbo on it... turbodiesels are much, much more fun than their asthmatic counterparts.

DIESEL CONVERSION

Posted: Sat Mar 27, 2010 3:21 am
by 8543bob
DONT KNOW MUCH ABOUT IT YET, I GOT IT BACK HOME LATE THURS EVENING, RAINED YESTERDAY, SO I FIGURE TO UN-CRATE IT TODAY AND COME UP WITH I.D. INFO. WILL KEEP YOU POSTED.
BOB

Re: DIESEL CONVERSION

Posted: Sat Mar 27, 2010 12:58 pm
by Master Yota
8543bob wrote:DONT KNOW MUCH ABOUT IT YET, I GOT IT BACK HOME LATE THURS EVENING, RAINED YESTERDAY, SO I FIGURE TO UN-CRATE IT TODAY AND COME UP WITH I.D. INFO. WILL KEEP YOU POSTED.
BOB
Bob, did you purchase a diesel without even knowing what it is? I sure hope its not some obscure one-off foreign unit... :shock:

This has the potential to become a great (read: funny) story.... :roll: :lol:

Posted: Sat Mar 27, 2010 1:11 pm
by Lifer
Yeah! Yeah! Tell us! I love those "pig-in-a-poke" stories, too! :D

DIESEL CONVERSION

Posted: Sun Mar 28, 2010 3:42 am
by 8543bob
OK, HERE'S WHAT I GOT WHEN I TOOK THE PLYWOOD CRATE APART; THE ENGINE WAS WRAPPED IN AN ALUM FOIL BAG WITH PADDING IN THE RIGHT PLACES, AND LOTS OF THOSE CHEMICAL DRY BAGS AROUND, AN ALTERNATOR WAS BOXED ON THE BOTTOM OF THE CRATE WITH TWO NEW BELTS. THE ENGINE BLOCK MEASURES 33" FORM THE PULLEYS TO THE REAR OF THE BLOCK. ITS A 6 CYLINDER NATURAL. I FINALLY CAME UP WITH A SERIAL NUMBER AND THRU IT GOT THE MFG. ITS A NISSAN SD33. QUICK MEASURMENTS OF THE M'S ENG COMPARTMENT SAYS IT WILL FIT; BUT I'M NO FAN OF JAP S--T. I HAVE NEVER OWNED A JAP CAR AND I TRY TO BUY AMERICAN, WHENEVER POSSIBLE. SO NOW I'M IN A PUSH PULL SITUATION. I PRETTY MUCH KNOW THAT WHEN I GET THE NISSAN RUNNING I COULD SELL IT. BUT I DO WANT A DIESEL IN MY M. LIKE I SAID IN PREVIOUS POSTS, THIS IS GOING TO BE A FALL PROJECT, SO I HAVE TIME TO THINK IT OUT.

DIESEL CONVERSION

Posted: Sun Mar 28, 2010 3:47 am
by 8543bob
HI AGAIN, IF SOMEBODY COULD WALK MY THRU THE PHOTO POSTING I WOULD POST A PIC OF THE NISSAN DIESEL. I GET A KW RATING ON THE ENGINE BUT NOT HP. HOW DO YOU CONVERT KW TO HP?? THANKS BOB

Posted: Sun Mar 28, 2010 4:40 am
by SOTVEN
1KW =1000W, 750 WATTS = 1 HP. PROBABLY IT IS A 3.3 LITER ENGINE. I HAVE DRIVEN NISSAN DIESELS IN GREECE LOTS OF TIMES. THE ENGINES SEEM TO BE MADE DURABLE, BUT UNLESS THEY ARE TURBOED THEY ARE NOT VERY STRONG. A NATURALLY ASPIRED ONE AND IN A HEAVY TRUCK LIKE THE M37, CHANCES ARE IT WILL NOT BE ABLE TO GET OUT OF ITS OWN WAY. FIND OUT HOW YOU COULD TURBO IT. IF THE EXPENCE IS NOT VERY HIGH FOR YOU, PERHAPS THAT IS THE WAY TO GO. AS FOR THE "BUY AMERICAN" THING, I WISH IT WAS STILL EASY TO DISTINGUISH. I DRIVE A DODGE RAM AND IT IS MADE IN MEXICO. LAST TIME I CHECKED MEXICO WAS NOT A STATE OF AMERICA. I BOUGHT A HUB- BEARING FOT IT THE OTHER DAY AND IT CAME FROM (YOU GUESSED IT) CHINA. MY BROTHER IN LAW IN GREECE BOUGH A BRAND NEW TOYOTA PICK UP, AND IT IS MANUFACTURED IN SOUTH AFRICA. GO FIGURE. IN MY PERCEPTION IT IS IMPORTANT TO FIND AN ENGINE THAT FITS, THAT PERFORMES AS DESIRED, AND WHEN IT COMES TO PARTS AND REPAIR ADVISE, YOU WILL NOT HAVE TO REINVENT THE WHEEL AND BE A PIONEER. GOOD LUCK FRIEND :)

Posted: Sun Mar 28, 2010 7:14 am
by Lifer
SOTVEN got it right. All you have to do is multiply the KW by 1.25 to get the HP. In other words, KW X 1.25 = HP.
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Disregard the above "formula!" Math was never my strong suit. :oops:

What I shoulda said was KW X 0.75 = HP.

Posted: Sun Mar 28, 2010 7:22 am
by Josh
want an American truck? buy a 1997 Ford Expedition. Last truck to be assembled in America from nearly 100% (97% in actuality) American made parts.

DIESEL CONVERSION

Posted: Sun Mar 28, 2010 10:51 am
by 8543bob
THE NISSAN IS PAINTED O/D, THE GUY THAT HANDLED THE SALE FROM GSA SAID THEY GOT IT FROM A NEARBY MILATARY BASE, COLUMBIA, SC, BUT DID NOT KNOW WHICH ONE. SO I GUESS IF ISTS GOOD ENOUGH FOR THE U.S. MILATARY IT WILL BE OK FOR ME. I CAN ALWAYS PAIT IT CAT YELLOW OR DETROIT ALPINE GREEN, WE WILL SEE.

Posted: Sun Mar 28, 2010 1:04 pm
by MSeriesRebuild
The fact that it may fit the engine bay is one thing. The fact of whether it is correctly set up for an automotive application is TOTALLY another. Sounds at this point like it may be set up for a constant run RPM application, such as for instance a generator perhaps. What it may require to get it equipped and retuned properly for an automotive application may be the last straw. Trying to turbo an engine that may have never been designed for a turbo may not be a smart move in any fashion. You have lots of homework to do before proceeding any further would be the wise move at this point. The fact that you have a new 6 cylinder diesel engine may mean little as knowledge unfolds as to what you actually have and it's designed and intended use. The fuel system may require very different equipment to get it dressed for automotive use, lots of unanswered questions at this point.

Not to pop a bubble, but think about this. We do Cummins conversions for the M37, I get lots of calls asking can this or that Cummins engine be used. Most often my answer after asking some questions is this. Sure, after you get the correct flywheel housing, flywheel, the correct exhaust manifold in order to get the turbo oriented correctly for the application, a new oil pan to get the sump oriented correctly, new fan drive so it gets moved to the correct height to center the radiator core, either replacing or recalibrating the injection pump over to an automotive spec, and numerous other small issues many times come into the mix. Going back through the Cummins parts system to source this stuff most often runs the price nearly as high as buying a new engine that is equipped correctly for the given application. In the end you will many times have near the investment in a used engine with no warranty that you would have had in a new engine purchase with a full Cummins Warranty. Many things to consider, the main issue is will you be happy with the fruit of your labor after the installation? Repowering any vehicle is a big endeavor, know that in the end you will be happy before you start is good advice. Chances are slim to none that can be accomplished by simply buying an unspecified engine that you know nothing about its designed and intended purpose with the mindset being, can I fit it in my truck? Knowing if it will fit; in all honesty that hardly gets you to the first step of a conversion.

Posted: Sun Mar 28, 2010 2:22 pm
by Wayne64
Bob, Charles and the others pointed out the pit falls. I am far from being a diesel mechanic having only brought two back to life. To put a good spin on this purchase, do a reverse search on this engine and find out the applications. Fixed RPM use, that was mentioned, is highly likely and when you figure out what it powered then find a forum etc. and sell it. The old saying is quite true, it's easier to store cash than un-used parts. BTW, I have the same issues with owning Jap Crap, but we all have to bite our tongues lately.

Posted: Sun Mar 28, 2010 10:41 pm
by Master Yota
You're in luck Bob - the SD33 was used in an Iconic american 4x4. It was the only diesel available in the International Scout in 1980. Parts should still be easy enough to come by to bolt it up to just about anything.

Now I'm not a scout or international fanatic - so if anyone has any more precise or relivant information to post, then please do so.
Find an IH forum and start asking questions, they will soon be able to guide you in the right direction, or at least find someone to take it off your hands if you decide to go that route...

One thing to consider, the overseas countrys have been using diesel power alot longer that we in North America have, and they have a good engine design (the Land Cruiser 4cyl (3B) and 6cyl (2H) diesels regularly run into the 5 and 6 hundred thousand mile range before needing an overhaul and respond well to turbo's. Not to knock the Cummins, but there is more than one choice when it comes to conversions...